Greg Wieting - is your pain, anxiety or depression really unresolved trauma?

This is a fascinating and important conversation with leadership coach and healer, Greg Wieting. Greg addresses the unique causative factors at play beneath pain, anxiety or depression - namely the unresolved trauma that causes inflammation, compromises immune function, stagnates emotion, fogs thought and creates hormonal imbalance.

Greg loves to work with leaders to help them to be vessels of healing within their organisations, starting with themselves.

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Arwen Bardsley: 0:00

Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of the five star wellbeing Podcast. I'm delighted today to be here with Greg Wieting. Greg helps leaders and entrepreneurs heal anxiety, depression, chronic pain and trauma so they can lead with bold and courageous hearts. For 20 years, Greg has helped hundreds of clients reduce or eliminate their dependence on antidepressants, anxiety, pain and sleep medications. He addresses the unique causative factors that play beneath pain, namely the unresolved trauma that causes inflammation, compromises immune function, stagnates emotion, fogs, thought, and creates hormonal imbalance. These are all just wonderful things that I love to talk about. So I'm so pleased to have you here today. Greg, I'd love to start with just a bit about you. Focusing on really how you got to be doing what you're doing now is is the point of of me asking about your origin story. So it doesn't need to be anything that you don't want to talk about. But just try and help people to understand how you came to be doing the work that you are doing now?

Greg Wieting: 1:18

Sure, yeah. Well, first, thanks for having me. And, yeah, my work today really stems from my own journey, healing my own chronic pain and anxiety and depression that, you know, it took me years to really understand that unresolved trauma was beneath all of my pain. So I've spent a lot of time chasing and treating and suppressing symptoms, you know, I was just steps away from, you know, a path of pain and symptom management with medication, when I was introduced to, you know, an alternative. And I didn't really understand the world of healing. You know, that's not how I was raised as a kid, when I had chronic ear infections and strep throat, I wanted nothing more than to go to a doctor and take a pill and feel better, right. That's just how I was raised. That's the world we seemingly live in. So, you know, I thought the same would be true for my chronic pain. And, you know, we're taught in the world of mental health, that chemical imbalance is, often what's driving anxiety and depression. So I thought that well, then I probably need to treat a chemical imbalance if I'm really struggling here. And then I was introduced to energy medicine, by happenstance, I was living in so much chronic pain at the time that a friend who was a massage therapist offered me a massage, which I actually turned it down because physical pain was just too much our physical touch just would have been too painful. And she introduced me to energy medicine, which I had never heard of that was a completely foreign concept to me. But I was open, I was hungry for change, and I wanted to feel better. And so we started to experiment. And within, you know, moments, I realized I had found something I didn't even know I was looking for. It was as if I had kind of suspended or lifted up above my pain body that for my entire life, you know, who I was, was organized around my pain, right? My identity was organized around my pain. So I didn't even know who I was outside of that pain until I had that experience. And, and that was really eye opening. And so that really started a journey of exploration and healing to realize I don't have to fight against pain, and I maybe don't even have to treat pain. I need to work with practices that helped me connect to more of my essence. Right. And years later in my studies, I came to understand the concept of innate wisdom. And innate wisdom was a term first developed in chiropractic where, you know, if we have a paper cut, there's an innate wisdom or a healing mechanism within within us that orchestrates a healing response. Right. It sends platelets and proteins, and organizes all of these biochemical processes to heal that paper cut. So I discovered that really, healing is just reconnecting us to our innate wisdom. It's not fighting against our pain. And when I discovered that my whole world changed.

Arwen Bardsley: 4:32

I love that reconnect and healing is reconnecting us to our late wisdom. That is just such a beautiful way to put it. So just before I ask you my next question, so then you mentioned your studies. Can you just briefly tell us what you studied?

Greg Wieting: 4:50

Sure. So yeah, energy medicine was a whole world of understanding Reiki. The world of Reiki then introduced me to meditation. So I then was in India for about eight months and learning a lot of somatic approaches to meditation, you know, practices that are designed to help release stored stress and tension that stagnate in the body, particularly trauma. And so how do we release this stagnation and the stress in the body to really create more of the natural climate for a meditative state, which, you know, I would define as a relaxed, alert awareness. From there, when I came back to the States, I started to study more energy medicine, a healthcare system called Body Talk, which, yeah, is really far reaching and helps to basically restructure how the nervous system gets short circuited because of stress and trauma. So it helps to reboot nervous system awareness to restore communication between all the different parts of the body tissues, cells, hormones, neurotransmitters, and whatnot. And then that led me to the world of trauma and neuroscience. So I was already teaching a lot of these components. And one of my students this is about nine years ago, was a therapist, and she said, you know, you're teaching trauma informed healing. And at that point, I didn't really have that that term trauma informed, I knew I was healing my own trauma, but I was really on this kind of intuitive path to heal myself. And she said, You know, I'm a professor at the California Institute of integral studies, and I teach the trauma course, for the therapy program there, why don't you become a teacher's assistant or become my teacher's assistant and help the students with mindfulness based practices. So that's where I started to develop more of kind of the trauma and neuroscience lens. Because I think it's really helpful to have, you know, a baseline understanding of the brain and the body and the nervous system to really help normalize what we might be experiencing in terms of a trauma response in terms of how you know, the brain, and the body and the nervous system are responded responding to adverse experiences. So over the years, I've kind of reverse engineered how I've kind of pieced together all of these practices, you know, for my own healing to create, as practical and accessible have a healing system for others.

Arwen Bardsley: 7:29

Oh, okay. Cool. Thank you for that. Yeah, that's, I will ask you more about body talk. I, I thought that that was like your system. But you're saying that's something you studied? And now you teach? Is that right?

Greg Wieting: 7:41

Yeah, so So my system is Prisma Body Talk, thing, I still practice with my one on one clients. And certainly practicing Body Talk has really helped inform how I understand energy and consciousness to function in the body. Then, basically, how I work with my students, and what I teach my students is how to apply kind of a knowledge base from somatics, and mindfulness and trauma and neuroscience and how to apply that knowledge base to the application and the practice of Reiki. And so I don't teach Body Talk, but what i developed is Prisma

Arwen Bardsley: 8:20

Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think it's so cool. And so it kind of makes things more accessible, perhaps to a wider audience, when you can talk about the science, you know, coming from that neuroscience side as well. Because you know, a lot of people with energy healing, you know, just think it's, you know, they just fail to accept that scientific fact that everything is energy, and we're all energy. And of course, if we're, you know, using and directing energy to heal, then that's going to be beneficial. But I think a lot of people still feel that it's a very woowoo kind of thing. But to be able to combine the two in a way that people can understand is, is really great. So I'm so pleased that you're out there doing that.

Greg Wieting: 9:08

Well, that's a lot of Yeah, I think it's really important to both democratize and demystify healing, right, to make it accessible. And for me, you know, energy medicine, what I love about energy medicine, and Reiki I think how to make that just easy to understand is if the body is a symphony orchestra. And so when we're experiencing health, all the different parts of the body, and the mind and the spirit are functioning as a team, and that team is making sweet music, right? So every cell, every tissue, every muscle, every emotion, every thought every hormone is in constant communication. And when we're in constant communication, you know, we're experiencing wholeness. And so there's a musicality of being there's this harmonic resonance. But what happens with trauma and stress is the nervous system gets short circuited, and that communication starts to break down. So the different parts of the body, mind and spirit are no longer communicating with one another. So we start to feel split and fragmented. And as that communication starts to break down, we start to experience noise. And that noise is presenting itself through our symptoms through our pain through our illness, right. So instead of trying to treat pain, symptoms, illness or noise, what we want to do is restore the communication between the different parts. And as we do so the noise starts to break up on its own. So that's how we restore connection to our innate wisdom, and then our natural capacity to be in harmony and balance starts to rebound on its own accord.

Arwen Bardsley: 10:54

Yeah, thank you for that. So then I found it really interesting as well that you have taken this work into the world of leadership. Because, again, you know, you kind of think that your common or garden corporate, you know, management type of person is potentially not going to be particularly open to this sort of work. So I think it's so wonderful that you are going down that intersection of leadership and trauma that I really don't think I've heard anyone else talk about this very much at all. So how and why did you get into this niche space in healing?

Greg Wieting: 11:43

Sure. You know, I think, though, mental health is really at the forefront of a lot of conversation, I think it's really getting a lot of attention culturally. And so I think mental health in the workplace is starting to gain some recognition and attention. And I think as leaders, we have a unique opportunity to either perpetuate wounding and hurt and harm and trauma, or heal, you know, wounding and hurt and trauma. And in my before I was in the world of healing, I was a leader in the nonprofit world. And I, myself, had my own lived experience of really leading from a trauma response, right, and really showing up to do good work in the world that I was very passionate about. And that I, you know, it was very mission driven. It was really built of purpose, but lacked fulfillment, right, because my own trauma was running the show. And that was leading to tons of burnout and emptiness. And I think we're living in a world where, you know, trauma is and an invisible epidemic. And, and yet, more and more people are waking up to the fact that there's a great cost to this, this wounding that's not just taking place, you know, individually, you know, I often think that our own anxiety and depression, excuse me, is actually a very healthy response to an unhealthy environment. So I think we, as leaders have a unique opportunity to foster a healthier environment, and one that really centers, wellness, one that centers mental health. And so I think it's important to take these conversations out of just the confines of our individual life and bring it more to public life, to help remove the stigma that a lot of folks are carrying, because, yeah, oftentimes, again, if folks are treating a chemical imbalance, the the message that is happening there that is being signaled as that something is wrong with the individual, so then we'll treat the individuals imbalance, but that imbalance is actually a healthy response to something going on in the environment. So the more we can have that conversation, the more I think it removes the stigma and the isolation that often becomes kind of a barrier to entry for folks to get the support and the healing care that they deserve.

Arwen Bardsley: 14:25

So before we go any further, can you just because, you know, you've said that we've got, you know, more and more trauma going on. And I think it's partly that more and more, it's being recognized as trauma. So can you just talk a bit about what you mean when you're saying trauma?

Greg Wieting: 14:48

Sure. Yeah. I think trauma is really any lived experience where we feel isolated alone, where we lack safety and or support. You know, trauma's not just these really bad things that happened to us. Right, which a lot of folks identify that, well, I don't have trauma because I've not been on the receiving end of a violent crime, or I've not been abused, or I haven't been in a war zone. I'm not displaced. I'm not a refugee. But you know, trauma can be too much too soon, or not enough for too long. So a lot of folks who don't identify with having trauma in early development, probably likely did not have reliable consistent care. And in early development, that signals danger, right? If we don't have reliable consistent care, and there's no guarantee that we're going to get our basic needs met, that can signal quite literally life or death, right. So that sets us up in this energy of hypervigilance, where we then need to either perform or hide parts of ourselves because subconsciously, the message that we you know, are receiving is that something must be bad or wrong with us if we're not getting our needs met. So even though something fishy is happening in the environment, we turn it on, or we turn the arrow on ourselves and just make the assumption in early development that something bad is happening out here, because something's wrong with us. Right? So that sets up, you know, lifelong patterning of hyper vigilance of hustling for our own worth of really this pedal to the metal drive. And that's what I find with a lot of the leaders I'm working with, you know, they've developed some level of success, but they're realizing it's they've never been able to take their foot off the gas. And, you know, that's, that's going to drain and deplete us, there's going to be a cost to that. And you know that that burnout is going to catch up with us.

Arwen Bardsley: 16:57

And when you said before that you were leading in your, your previous work in the not for profit sector, you were leading from a place of trauma. So, you know, what did that look like? How did that manifest? You know, do you think that it made a difference for the people that were working with you?

Greg Wieting: 17:18

Sure. Yeah, looking back, I'm sure I was not cultivating the psychological safety and trust that today as a leader that I know is possible. Because I was not, I was not able to carry or contain that within myself. Right. So I think to be a leader is to be a vessel of healing and to regulate the collective nervous system, but if our nervous system hasn't yet landed, you know, we're going to lack any capacity to support that in our teams. Right. And so it's kind of, you know, at that point in my life, I was living from the neck up, right. And so, when we lack our own capacity to be in our own bodies, you know, we lack presence, and we lack agency, so I wasn't fully steeped within my power, which is really a presence a capacity to be really present with myself and with, you know, my team. So that has a caustic effect. And, you know, a big piece of unresolved trauma is, you know, having yet to really process the emotional impact of developmental needs, unmet needs to really lack capacity to harness, you know, the power of our emotion, which is often the message beneath our emotion that longs to be communicated. So, yeah, definitely lacked a lot of capacity, critical capacity in terms of communication. And, and again, I'm still in contact with a lot of folks on my team then. And to some degree, that was like normal. This was like, you know, a team of, you know, early 20 somethings in this nonprofit world and, you know, we're all just kind of figuring out how to how to human and how to adult. But if we have, you know, if we are living in a culture that fosters this level of emotional intelligence and emotional attunement, you know, we have a great capacity to develop, you know, teams of collaboration and connection that really are centering you know, humanity.

Arwen Bardsley: 19:35

And so how do we process the emotion that we need to the emotion that's associated with trauma in order to you know, bring bring the nervous system down to where you know, ideally it should be most of the time what is that where you say you use the energy healing and other you know, mindfulness kinds of techniques.

Greg Wieting: 20:00

Absolutely, yeah, I think a big, I'd say the three biggest benefits from energy medicine are just that helping to regulate the nervous system, helping to calm the cardiovascular system and helping to strengthen immune system function. And again, kind of coming back to that idea of reconnecting to our innate wisdom. And breaking up that noise. What happens is we become more established in our wholeness. So we're not running around like a chicken with its head cut off, right, we feel like we are established, and we locate a sense of belonging within ourselves, which creates a whole new baseline of presence, right? And yeah, I think the mindfulness piece really helps us to dissolve identification with pain and wounding and the limitation of our pain and wounding. So we can live more in a place of possibility. So that's helping to reorient from pain to possibility. So that's helping us to kind of break free of our negativity bias and the catastrophizing, excuse me, of you know, the mind that is always scanning for worst case scenarios. And I think as leaders, our job is to be aware of worst case scenarios, but really be scanning for best cased possibilities.

Arwen Bardsley: 21:24

Oh, yeah, I love that. Thank you. So you mentioned before the chemical imbalance thing that is often talked about in regards to mental health, or mental illness, can you and I know that that you talk about the fact that talking about chemical imbalance is a lie. And you kind of hinted at that before, but can you go a bit more into that for us?

Greg Wieting: 21:53

Sure. On and, you know, the fact that research hasn't shown that chemical imbalance actually causes mental illness. But a lot of folks are told that, you know, the chemical imbalance they have is what is the primary contributing factor to their anxiety or their depression. And so then they are, you know, treating the chemical imbalance

Arwen Bardsley: 22:20

with chemicals!

Greg Wieting: 22:21

with medication. And, again, I want to acknowledge that sometimes pain and symptom management are necessary. So I'm not here to make anyone wrong, if that is, you know, the course they're on. But I think it is important to acknowledge that, you know, what are two big contributing factors to anxiety and depression are childhood attachment and trauma. And we have amazing capacity to heal the imprints of childhood trauma and to create more of a secure attachment. And when we do, then symptoms like anxiety and depression can often clear up. And you know, when we're using the word mental illness, and, you know, I like to just kind of put a trauma informed side note that what if even the term mental illness is not really the best term to use, because what if mental illness is really just unresolved trauma, right, that mental illness again, I think there's some stigma around that term, which then can make an individual suffering from anxiety or, or depression, feel like something is wrong with them, or to feel like they are broken or to feel that they are other when if we're experiencing unresolved trauma, you know, that's, that's kind of just part of living in this messy world. And that's nothing to be ashamed of, it's rather something to acknowledge and then gather the right tools and support. And so my concern is that a lot of folks who are treating chemical imbalance with if can shortchange them from the opportunity to actually get access to deeper healing support to address attachment, wounding and trauma.

Arwen Bardsley: 24:24

And in your view, where does talk therapy sit?

Greg Wieting: 24:32

You know, I think there is, again, I think there's a time and a place for everything, and therapy has been a really critical component in my healing. And there's just some pain that we can't think or talk our way through. And there's a lot of therapy, a lot of therapists that actually don't have a critical lens to actually work with trauma and a lot of therapy that Isn't somatically oriented, meaning it's not actually tending to signals and messages and emotions and lived experience stored in the body. You know, the conscious mind is like 5% of what we believe, right? The subconscious and the unconscious mind is actually what we really believe. And that's like 95% of the content that then is stored in the tissues in the cells and in the body. So if we are working to heal trauma, talking our way through it alone, without working on an somatic and or energetic approach to actually tend to the needs of the body, and the brain and the nervous system together, we can sometimes to be doing more harm than good, we could be re traumatizing, or we can kind of get caught in like, thinking talking round about without actually addressing the wounding stored, you know, beneath the surface.

Arwen Bardsley: 26:06

Yeah. And so, you in the intro, I talked about how you've helped people with their dependence on medication. And, you know, I know, you've talked through some of the ways in which you might do that, but kind of what does that look like in in the practical sense as well? I'm assuming that people are, you know, maybe gradually working their way out of that dependence. Can you talk us through like an example of what that would look like?

Greg Wieting: 26:42

Yeah, well, that's very individual. And that's actually not on my guidance or suggestion, that's more a side effect of my work. So how I work is non diagnostic and non prescriptive. So I don't actually interfere with, you know, any of the protocols or treatment programs that my clients are on in terms of medications and other treatments. I have a psychiatrist who actually refers patients to me, he reached out to me after one of his patients no longer needed the medication that he had been prescribing her for, you know, a period of time. To his credit, instead of just thinking he misdiagnosed her. he asked her, is there anything you're doing differently? And she said, Yeah, I'm working with Greg. And, you know, to his credit, he instead of brushing that off, reached out to me, and then we started off a series of conversations where he got very curious about my work. And, you know, over the years has become, you know, a really great referral partner, where he refers patients to me with PTSD, complex trauma, because he understands that while he can, again, help his patients, you know, mitigate the effects or mitigate the symptoms, by treating them medically, or with medication, that there's deeper healing that can take place. And so he refers patients to me, and my goal is to again, just help people get plugged into their innate wisdom. So they restore their connection to their own wholeness. And that process is unique for each individual. And over time, you know, my clients who come from, you know, this psychiatrist, they continue to stay in treatment with the psychiatrist, and he continues to evaluate. And through his evaluation, he will, you know, make suggestions to wean or alter, wean off of or alter medications, and in many cases, you know, help his patients come off those medications altogether. Because they've done the deeper healing work with me, so they no longer no longer need to be dependent on these medications.

Arwen Bardsley: 29:04

Yeah, amazing. Thank you. So can you I'm sure you'd like to talk a bit about Prisma, and maybe more about Body Talk, just tell us a bit more about that actual system that you've developed?

Greg Wieting: 29:19

Sure. Yeah. So with Prisma there is the trauma and neuroscience roadmap, which is delivered through an eight module course that is, you know, people can explore at their own time. And that is really, I found that I was on a path of healing going to healers and therapists for some time, and I knew I was on the right track, but I didn't really know where I was headed, or where I was. And so, the trauma neuroscience roadmap helps us to get our bearings straight so we don't have to travel on this healing path blindfolded. And then the seven Prisma pillars are the essential dropped pins on that map so that we do know precisely where we are and where we're headed. And those drop pins really take folks on a journey from pain to purpose. So that's nervous system regulation, embodiment, emotional attunement, the emotional intelligence, piece, and a sense of orientation to our values, and that are less tethered to motivation, which is fear based and more tethered to inspiration, which is much more aspirational. Right. So instead of what we're motivated to get away from, what are we inspired to move towards, and I think exploring that tension in healing is really important, and especially understanding our values in relationship to motivation and inspiration. The fifth pillar is narration where we really are flipping the script on a lot of the subconscious and the unconscious behaviors and beliefs that we often have organized around pain and wounding, and how we can rewrite these narratives to help expand the aperture of the vision we have for our lives and for what's possible. And then identity is the sixth pillar. And identity is really shifting these fixed or rigid constructs we hold about ourselves, again, often organized around our wounding. So we can start to experience ourselves from a moment to moment awareness, which is really the birthplace of innovation and creativity and vision. And then the final pillar is impact. So really exploring purpose, but not from a place that is extrinsic, ly motivated. I think a lot of I think purpose has been a buzzword over the last decade. But a lot of people are looking for purpose outside of themselves. And I like to think that I help folks mine the gold of unresolved trauma, so they can derive a sense of meaning, purpose, place and significance from the inside out. So really redefining mode, our purpose from place of intrinsic motivation. And really, the cultivation of healing states and the power of presence. So what if it's not so much what we do, but who we are, and how we do it. And, you know, and there's studies that show that purpose is one of the core pieces of resilience. So when we lack a sense of purpose, it's really hard to live in a place of resilience. So those seven Prisma pillars then kind of draw upon a lot of the somatic and mindfulness based practices that I teach throughout the course. And then I actually offer guided practices for my students over a year long period. So it's one thing to learn these principles, it's another thing to embody them. And so and then from there, the energy medicine component is, yeah, a Reiki one, two and three training that folks have access to over these nine, one day retreats online. And so folks can get go through the entire curriculum within three months, but then have a year access to the community. Excuse me and I look at the energy medicine is really the vehicle we need for healing and look if a somatic and the mindfulness pieces is kind of the GPS. And they're paired with the roadmap of the trauma and neuroscience to give folks a really robust set of tools and practices that are designed to pair together. So people have a healing practice for life.

Arwen Bardsley: 33:43

Oh, amazing. So do you is it like a live intake? Or is it all online? So people can do it anytime? And if so, do they get any access to you, in person?

Greg Wieting: 33:59

So yeah, the trauma and neuroscience roadmap is an online course, that people have forever access to the somatic and mindfulness based practices are three guided practices that I lead each month, and then the energy medicine, our nine one day retreats that are online, but you know, that I'm teaching live, so folks have direct access to me for those nine day retreats over the entire year. Once people go through that entire process, then they've kind of developed all of the practices and tools. And then from there I have in person events that we then just kind of get to play and play with all the tools.

Arwen Bardsley: 34:47

Okay, so the in person events are for people who have done the training already.

Greg Wieting: 34:53

Correct.

Arwen Bardsley: 34:53

Yeah. Okay. And then I think you mentioned you see people, one on one as well. Or, do you do that in person or just online?

Greg Wieting: 35:04

Yeah, I have a select space to work with folks one on one. And that's over a nine or 12 month arc of transformation. And all that's online. I work with clients over the phone primarily. Yeah, all my clients over the phone right now, if some clients prefer zoom, that's fine. But I actually get just as good if not better results over the phone.

Arwen Bardsley: 35:25

Why do you think that is?

Greg Wieting: 35:28

You know, I'm working in the world of energy, right. And so we, and everything is energy even through the physical body. But when I'm just working on the phone, I'm just tuning into the energetics. And where, you know, the level of attunement that creates connection and safety for healing repair, is really through our presence, right. And our presence permeates time and space. So I am just as present with you know, someone when I'm with them in person, as I am online or over the phone, I used to work in the Yucatan Peninsula, with Mayan shamans. And when I would bring students to the Yucatan, they would actually and we're doing healing work on the students, they would actually have us put a white sheet over the student. So we're not actually distracted by the physical form, and we can work directly with the energy body. And so I think that's another piece of it just not being distracted by the physical, and just connecting straight to consciousness, straight to energy, which, you know, is really, at the heart of everything, you know, everything is energy, everything is consciousness. And so when we affect change at that root level, we can really catalyze a lot of transformation, both really effortlessly, and rather quickly.

Arwen Bardsley: 36:52

Yeah, and do you think with the phone versus zoom, it's also about you know, it's that thing of like, you can have a really good conversation with your kid when you're driving in the car, because you're not actually looking at each other.

Greg Wieting: 37:07

Yeah, I think just being able to drop in and just be really present. And, I mean, gosh, I think we probably all have so much zoom fatigue. Now. Yes. Even if for folks that don't work with Zoom for a living, we just have too much screen time, which is drains eyes and the brain. You know, not looking at a screen I think is a really great thing.

Arwen Bardsley: 37:32

Totally agree. So is there any? Do you have any you know, specials or any, any particular programs or anything that you wanted to, to mention to people, anything that you offer any freebies you have on your website or anything like that?

Greg Wieting: 37:50

Yeah, I have the seven Prisma pillars. And that's a free guide. And that helps people to kind of go through a journey of the seven Prisma pillars to get a deeper feel for the Arc of transformation that is Prisma. And so folks that's on my website, Gregwieting.com. And I forget the back slash but free download something along those lines. Yeah. On the home page.

Arwen Bardsley: 38:16

Okay. All right. And, uh, you, you know, you've got this kind of niche with leadership in the leadership space, but are you? You know, do you work with people outside of that space? Are you specifically seeking leaders to be your clients?

Greg Wieting: 38:35

Yeah, people will self select. So folks who are struggling with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, who have an understanding that, you know, emotion and trauma are, you know, part of this conglomeration of pain are very much, you know, self selecting to work with me. A lot of health care professionals also choose to work with me to help address the impacts of secondary trauma and to our caregiver fatigue, who want to also just develop a healing practice not only to support themselves, but then that can be really applied in a healthcare setting to provide more of a trauma informed approach to healing.

Arwen Bardsley: 39:20

And did the psychiatrist who's your referral partner? Has he done your actual training?

Greg Wieting: 39:27

No he hasn't.

Arwen Bardsley: 39:28

No. Okay. Interesting. All right. Is there anything else that you wanted to let people know, Greg, before we finish?

Greg Wieting: 39:36

You know, I think healing is a commitment to defy odds. I think healing can be a long and windy road. But what I love about Prisma is, you know, the 20 years of traveling, you know, from continent to continent, to piece together all of these practices and tools and wisdoms hopefully makes it a less long and a less windy road for others. And you know, the body is designed to heal, we just need the right tools, the right support and the right practices to help it do its job. And it's, you know, remarkable capacity to heal is pretty awe inspiring. So, you know, as much as I help people heal trauma, my goal is to really again, focus on connecting people to that innate wisdom, which is really a place of awe, which is a place of inspiration, which is a place of possibility. So if folks are really looking for more freedom, more power, more aliveness, you know, it all starts with a phone conversation. We just kind of discuss where you're at where you'd like to be, and if you know, it's working together can be a good fit for this journey.

Arwen Bardsley: 40:55

Okay, wonderful. So you do it like a little initial chat before people have to commit to working with you? Is that what you're saying?

Greg Wieting: 41:04

Absolutely. Yes. That's where we get to suss out if we would be, you know, I'm all about win wins, right? I want to help people get better. You know, I pride myself on results. And if I think people can get better results elsewhere, I'm going to send them elsewhere. And if I feel that we can do really great work and be compatible and healing work together, then I'll invite folks on board to work with me.

Arwen Bardsley: 41:30

Great, so it's so your website is Gregwieting.com.

Greg Wieting: 41:36

Yes,

Arwen Bardsley: 41:37

yep. And the spelling of your surname is wi e t i n g just so people know. Hopefully, they'd find you if they spelt it a different way. But just to let everybody know that so thank you so very much for your time today. Greg, I really appreciate having you on. I think that's all just wonderful food for thought for everyone and totally resonates with the work that I do as well. So it's been great to talk to you today.

Greg Wieting: 42:08

Thanks for having me. Arwen. It's been a pleasure.