5 Star Wellbeing Podcast
5 Star Wellbeing Podcast
Heather Fischer-Page - finding your true purpose with Human Design
Heather Fischer-Page is a healer in the truest sense of the word, having experienced serious illness herself including Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia, Heather has journeyed through life learning and discovering, and accumulating qualifications including in nutrition, hypnotherapy, energy healing and Human Design. Heather is now in a place to help others heal and find their true purpose.
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Okay, welcome everybody. Today I am really delighted and excited to have another one of my food and spirit colleagues on the show. So today, I would love to welcome Heather Fisher page from Integra holistic wellness. Heather is somebody who has many strings to her bow. So I love to talk to these people to hear all the different things that they do. So Heather is a nutritionist. She's also a human design practitioner. And she is a healer overall is probably the best word a healer and an intuitive. So Heather has developed a program called Integra, the integra wellness method to help others through their healing journey. And I'm sure that she's going to let us know that this is partly because she's had a pretty big healing journey herself. So we will talk about that too. So really interesting to delve into why people design and develop programs to help others that they know have helped them. And you know, what, what better reason is there. So, welcome, Heather, thank you so much for your time today. I would love for you to Yeah, just start us off with a bit about yourself, and how you got to be where you are now doing what you're doing? That would be wonderful.
Heather Fischer-Page:Sure, sure. And thank you for having me on here today. Well, you know, it's actually been very much a lifelong journey. For me, I had health issues as a child, and they, you know, antibiotic use, my dad was a smoker. And I think a lot of the, you know, kids from the 70s, you know, there wasn't the awareness around certain things that were, you know, what smoking caused, you know, ear infections, and I had ear infectious all the time. So that took me into antibiotics, and then I became allergic to antibiotics, and, and then, you know, gut health, and then we have our own emotional traumas, and things like that, that affect us, you know, things from when I was a child. And so I always had issues. And as I look back, also, I think I was probably celiac from the beginning. And as I looked back at the underlying causes of sila, you know, the underlying symptoms of celiac, you know, poor digestion, you know, I had horrible teeth as a kid, you know, constant and, and my mom didn't allow a lot of sugar, you know, and it was the 70s, you didn't eat sugar, like, the way people are eating sugar now, but my mom had a healthier, you know, way of feeding us. But she also got caught up in the diet culture of the time, so, but I had these issues, and I had, you know, horrible periods as a teenager, to the point where even codeine wouldn't hit them. And so, you know, I was in such pain, and figuring out, you know, as I started working on things, you know, as in in my 20s, I remember going to a herb shop, and he said, maybe you're allergic to wheat, and dairy, and I'm like, what, you know, because so that was like, early 90s, like, early 90s, when people weren't really talking about gluten, or wheat or anything, and, and so he gave me some slippery elm and something else and things didn't resolve, but I also didn't take to heart the wheat and dairy, you know, at that point, but anyway, you know, just really trying to figure out why I was having issues and trying different dietary regimens to see what will work and in my 20s Somebody said, why, you know, why don't you try it again, you know, I had been vegetarian, why don't you try, you know, really just cutting out all your grains and, you know, and adding in some fish and stuff like that, and, and I noticed that my body started feeling better, but didn't make the total connection. And within that time, I was, you know, delving into other modalities, giving energy healings and seeing some shifts with that, but, you know, long story short, I had children and in my late 30s, early 40s went totally gluten free after I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia, and so that was I had been there gluten free for probably a year. But I remember my ex husband going, do you think you have that chronic fatigue thing? And I'm like, I don't know. And so I looked it up, I had 19 of the 20 symptoms. And so I went and saw a chiropractor. And so I started doing work with him. And that's when it kind of shifted me into my doing a nutrition program. I had, it hadn't been like, I hadn't studied it, I had books and books of stuff, it just wasn't finding the right thing, you know, for my body. So I was integrating, you know, energy healings at that time, as well as doing that work and you know, shifting through a lot of stuff and ended up in 2013 with my functional nutritional therapy practitioner certification. And I started doing that full time, and really just teaching classes really enjoying doing all of that and wanting more, so that's when Food & Spirit came to me. And because I knew I, you know, I had this background and all these other modalities that I'd been studying and you know, kind of dipping my toes in and I wanted something that where it would integrate, you know, mind body spirit soul and finding the work with Deanna Dr. Deanna minich, was incredible and, and really looking at things and going yeah, we do need to eat colorful foods. And we do need to really look at these different systems of health and how we can integrate all that together. So I added that in and then over the years, I, I studied astrology just on my own for gosh, years and years and years, never doing people's charts or anything like that, but really, for my own growth, and found human design. And when I found human design, it was it was like my soul finally, really, you know, connecting to something and being able to have these levels with the astrology as well as one of my favorite books, I'm sure you know, at the Jan spiller book. It's on the nodes. Yeah, yeah, that book kind of got the one that was recommended by Deanna also. Really, it kind of set me on the path. And then I found human design at that same time, and it really was that piece that just kind of pulled me into really understanding myself and why I would hit, you know, hit the wall. And, you know, Saturn in the first didn't tell me that enough. You know, I figured out why, you know, you know, people would say, Oh, you've got obstacles with Saturn in the first but I did not understand how to respond to it rather than react to it. So for me, yeah, human design was a huge piece. And over the years, I've added in hypnotherapy and then I'm finishing up my my energy healing certification. It's a it's about a year and a half two year program in energy healing using the Barbara Brennan School of the hands of light, so Yeah.
Arwen Bardsley:yep, yep. I have that book as well.
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah. So I work with I'm working with a someone who is certified who has been an energy healer for probably 20 years and it's, it's amazing. It's amazing. And it's been a huge shift for me. Definitely somebody who lived up in because of that intuitive psychic nature always kind of lived up in this area and you know, and didn't want to be in my body because why, how fun is that being in your body when you don't feel well, A and then B this is kind of more fun. But for me, the energy healing classes have actually grounded me into my body and really taught me How to live in it differently. So that's been, you know, as you know, it's all our personal journeys really can come out in our professional journeys, and you know, our life purposes a lot of times, so.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, absolutely. And so what work were you doing before you got into the more health side of things? Was it something completely different?
Heather Fischer-Page:Oh my gosh, yes, yes. So, um, I actually in college was a vocal performance, performance major, and ended up with a public relations degree, stayed in the music department the whole time, ended up with a public relations degree worked for an alternative Newsweekly. For three years, ended up with a classical radio station in media relations. We have a conservatory in Kansas City, through the University of Missouri. And I was their media relations manager, and then and worked for a production company for a while. And that was just, you know, not understanding my energy at that time, you know, I burnt out within six months of working for a music production company and ended up back in grad school, oh, my gosh, you know, already burnout. And then I go to grad school, but got a degree in interpersonal communication, which I mean, I use, you know, You know, it's, it's so helpful for what I do. So I did that. And it's so it's just this weird, twisty road. In grad school, somebody knew that I was good with design work and, and gave me a job, I worked creative on call for Hallmark cards. And so I did visual design, work there. And then. And then I went to sprint to do visual design work. But again, those beautiful catalysts that come the job was stressful. I was in this corporate environment that was not creative. And it was the catalyst for me to go back and get my nutrition degree, because I went into a huge auto immune flare while I was there, because, I mean, I had reversed everything, you know, in my early 40s. And then I get this job where I'm stressed out not doing what is what my soul's calling is. And it was a wonderful catalyst. I haven't, you know, when people are like, oh, did you have regrets? And I'm like, No, I have no regrets about anything I've done. You know, each piece was this beautiful step on to the next phase of my life, you know, and some of them might have been a big catalyst. Some of them might have been like, Oh, this is nice and flowy, which I kind of liked them nice and flowy. I'm kind of living in that one a little more now. So yeah, so yeah, very, very twisty road. And but, you know, the big message here is you can always recreate yourself, you know? Yes. So,
Arwen Bardsley:yeah, absolutely.Everything is energy. And it's always changing. Yeah. So just for people who might not know, can you just tell us a little bit more about chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia? You know, what, what were you experiencing? What does it involve?
Heather Fischer-Page:Oh, sure.Yeah, so, um, chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia are two auto immune diseases, there are over 200 autoimmune diseases. And those are just two of them. And the symptoms that I was experiencing was, so it was like joint pain and inflammation. I would have off and on cyclical headaches, you know, digestive issues, bloating, you know, just all of the things that sometimes we do take for granted. But the big thing was, I remember was that I would sleep for like, 10 hours at night, and then I'd wake up and I didn't feel refreshed or anything, and everybody wanted to blame it on having toddlers. And I was like, No, something's not right. I just I knew something wasn't right, with what was going on. And so I started really diving into okay, what are the underlying factors of chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia and some of them were viruses, parasites, bacterial infections, as well as mercury toxicity. And and then there's other factors, of course, food sensitivities and all of these things. And so, when I went to my chiropractor, he did a lot of muscle testing, and did find that I had mercury toxicity, which I wasn't surprised. You know, my mom used mercurachrome when I was a kid. We called it monkey blood. And, but also, I remember breaking a thermometer. And so, you know, and over the years, I found that my body is one of those bodies that has certain mutations that don't support detoxification, so my body likes to hold on to things. And so I have, I'm very sensitive, but also I have to use certain chelation techniques that are more gentle for releasing. So anyway, we, you know, doing working on those underlying issues. And also Yeah, I'm really focusing on myself and I did a lot of autoimmune issues can have trauma attached to them. So doing some work around my old trauma. The energy work that I did, I did EFT with people, as well as you know, a little bit of hypnotherapy. So, yeah. So yeah, it. So those were really, those are the symptoms I had. So and then when I flared, when I was at Sprint, ended up finding out that I had a bacteria that a lot of RA patients had, like a gram negative bacteria, working with a colleague who is amazing, and actually, I'm working with her now, on some health stuff, so she just yeah, she's one of those really great people who dives deeply into it all, including my genetics, because I'm just one of those people who has very complex genetics. So
Arwen Bardsley:yeah, and so is this a bacteria that's in your gut?
Heather Fischer-Page:The one before Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With RA, it was Yeah. It came out through stool testing. She's like, Oh, yeah, that ties back to, you know, a lot of people who have RA may have that, you know, an over abundance of that harmful bacteria. So
Arwen Bardsley:and so I was that, therefore, a rheumatoid arthritis diagnosis for you?
Heather Fischer-Page:No, no, because you know, when as holistic nutritionists, that's we're not medical nutrition therapy, so we don't diagnose, treat or cure. So it was a sign and symptom that I was experiencing some of the symptoms of RA, you know, and fibromyalgia, yeah, tons of inflammation, as well as digestive issues. And yeah, just in pain, just very painful. So, but that's, it's good, I was able to shift out of that we, you know, checked my digestive health. And everything looked good gut permeability was back to normal. But I was noticing that I was cycling, I would cycle. And so that's really when I increased the self care modalities too and really worked a lot more on trauma and doing, you know, regression type therapies and things like that, to really look at and allow and stopped resisting. You know, what I was supposed to be doing, what my sole purpose was. And I think that was the biggest piece for me was that, when that clicked, it's like, no, you're not supposed to be living for everyone else. You're supposed to live for yourself, and what makes you happy. And as I've done that, over the past year and a half, things have just shifted a ton. So it's, yeah, very, very important. And Human Design told me a lot about why, you know, why were things I'm always looking for the why the root cause, why is this how I am and not everybody's lives are like mine. I mean, my you know, it's just, there's so much complexity. And so, and you and I have talked through medical astrology, I have a lot of stuff that's hidden that has to be unearthed. It shows in my chart and so but everything that I have done I feel like is It is a piece that I've learned that I now can share with others. And so that's been, you know, that's the huge gift of what I have gone through, I now can help others and support others.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, exactly. And that that is your soul's journey in this lifetime. Yeah. So let's go into human design then because I'm sure there's people out there going, what is this human design that she keeps talking about? And it is a fascinating system that involves several different ways of looking at somebody. So yeah, rather than me waffling on about the little bits that I, you know, understand and think, and I have done a human design reading, we've had that, and that was really fascinating. So, but it's much better to get it from the horse's mouth. So please tell us about human design.
Heather Fischer-Page:Sure, sure. So, human design was created downloaded by Ra Uru Hu. And a he in 1987, there was a big consciousness shift. We know, you know, that was around the time that the indigo children were coming in. And he was given this download, to use different modalities and create this program. So, that would help shock people initiate people into understanding really who they were, but he also created it for the children. So, these children, these amazing beautiful souls coming in, so that the parents could have more awareness around how to guide these children. And so, it is a conglomeration of human design. As a human design Human Design is a conglomeration of the I-Ching. So it uses the 64 pieces of the of the I-Ching in they're called gates, and uses the Hindu chakra system. So in 1871, it went from a seven center to a nine centered being, and so it uses the nine centered chakra system. It is Jewish Kabbalah, quantum energy, and mechanics. And basically astrology too, because we're using the same details we would use for a birth chart. And so it's this amazing system that comes together to give you this body graph. And really look at five different types. There are five different types of people, but it's more complex than that there are many levels of it, you know. And so those five different types kind of tell you how you're supposed to be in the world, there is the generator, manifesting generator, manifester, the projector and the reflector. And each one has a different strategy for how to kind of show up in the world, the generator, the two generator types are here to respond to things. So instead of trying to initiate things, they're here to respond. The manifester is here to initiate things, they have this amazing flow from their higher self, you know, God source that comes through, and they're here to just kind of flow with it and go with their things. And then the projectors are here to be invited, kind of like we respond, the generator types respond. They're here to be invited into things, but they're these amazing once they are giving that voice. They're here to direct and lead. And then the reflectors are here kind of to calibrate the energy. They're here, they're 1% of the population, and they're here to kind of calibrate that collective energy and reflect back what society is doing, but calibrate it, you know, from a higher octave. So yeah, it's there's these five different types and there's different ways of responding and, you know, learning through the profiles plus within that, given in it is a, an incarnation cross and that and it kind of gives you a roadmap for who you're supposed to be in the world, not what you're supposed to do, but who you are, how you're supposed to show up. For example, mine is the right angle cross of penetration, and I'm here to use intuition to wake people up. I'm here to, but always, in response, I'm not supposed to be out there going, hey, you know, I just got this little psychic thing that said that, you know, you need to stop eating gluten, or whatever it is, you know, I'm just going to use that as an example, since we're talking nutrition. But, um, but it's when people come to me and ask me, Hey, I'm feeling this way, what are you getting, and you know, and then using letting my intuition drop in, and it's so interesting, because when I allow that to happen, then I'm able to voice it in a different way. And in a way that they can hear it, and take the information in. So it's a really, really cool system. And as I went through it, and saw the definition in my chart, and saw how different themes life themes went on, I was able to use that information and kind of shift the narrative around from you know, because we know there's always light and shadow and everything and or a higher expression or a lower expression and being able to go, oh, wait, I'm in the lower expression of that that's not a healthy place to be, how can I shift myself to the higher expression of you know, that definition or openness and, and a big piece of it is deconditioning. So when Ra did this, that he talked a lot about the not self. And I have been working with a one of his students, and someone who worked with him, named Karen Curry-Parker, and she has quantum human design. And it is a it is something that Ra had been wanting to do, which was switch the languaging. From the I-Ching. I mean, the I-ching is an ancient divination system. So the languaging, and the archetypes were very, you know, ancient, it's not the consciousness that we have now. So Karen has taken it and taken the languaging and made it more evolutionary and more empowering. And so looking at it from that perspective, has been really, really helpful. And she talks a lot about deconditioning. Because we're, you know, we're not stuck. As, as we know, you know, our astrology chart tells us, okay, this is what you came in with. But you can get a roadmap from that information, you know, very evolutionary. And in the same way, human design gives you this practical roadmap to that. So it's, it's quite interesting. And, yeah, it was one of the pieces that I, I really, really needed for my own shift, as well as I love sharing it with other people. And I always sprinkle in astrology, because there is that other layer, you know, looking at it from, you know, and especially in life cycles, it can be very, very helpful to have those other layers. But yeah, it's, it was a pretty much game changer for me.
Arwen Bardsley:And so when people have a human design reading, they need to know their time and place and obviously, date of birth. Is that right as well,
Heather Fischer-Page:right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's best to have the exact time and date. It's a little looser, because we're looking at it from when things shift in the gates. More than, you know, like in astrology, where we want that down to the minute kind of thing, we're able to have a little wiggle time, little wiggle room in it. So, but it's best to have it because that's going to give you you know, if you're if the profile shifts, like the lines of the profile shift at a certain time, it's not you're not going to get the right learning. Yep. So if yeah can be it's best to have all that information.
Arwen Bardsley:And just on the nine chakras Can you talk a bit more? So obviously, most people are familiar with seven and that's something that I work with extensively. So, what are the additional two?
Heather Fischer-Page:So, so in in 1871, according to the Hindu Brahmin system, it was that. So you you have your, your crown chakra, which we call the head, the sixth chakra, or the third eye chakra we call the Aashna. The throat chakra is the throat chakra, the fifth chakra. And then the heart at that point split into two, it's split into the G Center, which is basically where the soul star is, or your magnetic monopole is. And it's split into the heart. So you have the G Center and the will ego heart center that split into two pieces. So your G-centre is your identity center, the will center is the the heart center more but really houses that ego. And that will power type of energy. And then the the solar plexus split into Yeah, the split solar plexus split into the emotional solar plexus, and the spleen. So those two pieces, you know, kind of that traditional Chinese medicine kind of thing. So the spleen center, you know, is around houses like your instinct, your intuitive abilities, but also fear. And then you have the emotional solar plexus that looks at that emotion, input, the empathic ability type of information, and then you have your sacral. And then you have your root. So those two centers, the heart and the solar plexus split at that time, so and it just provides a little extra information on how it all works. And yeah, when I'm working with somebody's chakra system, if I'm working energy healing, I still use the seven, the 7 chakra system. But when I'm looking at it from the human design perspective, I do look at those other centers as well, because there's a lot of information there.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, absolutely. So it gives you a lot more information about personality and about journey in this lifetime, really, and how you're going to approach and tackle that journey.
Heather Fischer-Page:Right, and everybody has the whole chart, you know, the quantum piece of human design really is energy, you know, and we have definition and we have openness with human design. And we have the whole chart because we're either have it the infant the the energy, consistent and defined in our chart, or we have it open and mutable, meaning that when somebody else comes into our energetic field, we're going to if they haven't defined, they're going to give us that definition. So we're going to experience it. So that's another huge piece I love because I just I understand energy so well, that it's just enough. It's not egotistical, it's just I do. But you know what I'm saying? I don't know why I felt I had to qualify that. But anyway, but it's just I love it. It's just yummy to think about that, you know, how we share energy and how we exchange it. And, and why we get conditioned because we had this openness in this chart. And you know, for the first 18 years of our lives, you know, our mother or father had that consistent energy. And it was, you know, that we got defined, oh, wait, now I have an awareness around it. Oh, that was my dad's stuff. So then we go, oh, yeah, that was my dad's, I don't have to own it anymore. I can release myself from it, and give it back to that person. So I think that's really one of those huge pieces of learning and going oh, now I understand why I was that way or I am that way but you know it. I never felt I could be that way because of this. I'm gonna start living authentically. So
Arwen Bardsley:yeah, and also why people have then the physical manifestations in their body of certain conditions, which obviously then you can look at the metaphysical anatomy and understanding the underlying emotional causes which are caused by these influences from other people.
Heather Fischer-Page:Right?
Arwen Bardsley:So, yeah, that's yeah, that's, it's really powerful, isn't it? So when would you? Or, you know, maybe it's a matter of when do people come and have a human design reading? Like, what do you find the key triggers that make people realize that this will be a really good thing for them to do.
Heather Fischer-Page:It's really interesting. I get a lot of people at their lifecycles, um, you know, I work with a lot of people who are getting near their Chiron return, or they are at their Saturn Return, or their Uranus opposition. So around 40 to 42. You know, that's when that's my Uranus opposition. When I looked back at it, I went, Oh, that's when all of these things when the chronic fatigue showed, you know, when it was that big shift, Uranus came in and goes, Okay, let's, let's shake things up. So you can shift to the next, you know, up level of things. And so a lot of people will come in at that time for it. And some people just kind of, or they're in a little bit of crisis, and they want to know, okay, what's going on? So I, I will kind of feel into their charts, and figure out kind of maybe where some of those conundrums are, or what could be holding them back. And we can go through that and work through those things. And give them the awareness that they need around it. And so it's kind of those waking up points, you know, and, and awarenesses that we all need, you know, and so, yeah, I find people come for that type of thing I'm getting ready to do, the more intensive looking at lifecycle work, diving deeper in. And because, you know, I never stop learning, it seems like, and so I'm excited to do some deeper dives into lifecycle analysis. And also looking at near death experiences, doing NDE charts. I'm very excited about that. But really, right now, I really like a lot of times people will just come and go, Oh, I heard about this human design thing. Can you tell me more and so we'll do just a foundational reading. But in that foundational reading, as you know, it really gives you a lot of basic information that you're like, oh, wait, yeah. Oh, that makes sense. My learning style is that, oh, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I'm going to flow with that instead of flowing with somebody else's. You know, I, when I found out that I was an explorer, spiritual, ya know, visionary leader. I was like, really, you know, or martyr heretic, in traditional Human Design. I'm like, and I'm here to like, experiment my whole life. And I was never allowed to when I was a kid. And I'm like, No wonder no wonder I wanted to try things myself instead of somebody else doing it. For me, it was just so interesting. So I think it's those little aha moments, but I am excited. I've been doing what we call soul activation readings. And so looking at it from that deeper piece of Oh, you have your sun in the gate 57 You're here, you know, you're here to do this. And we look at it from mercury, you know, how we communicate, but how we can also communicate in our businesses and you know, just these different pieces that kind of weave this really cool story for us to activate our life purpose. So yeah, so life purpose readings and things like that. But again, I do smaller readings for people who have a basic understanding of human design and understand their type and their strategy because we always need to go back to our type and strategy and go oh, yeah, wait, I'm here to respond. Why Why aren't things slowing right now? Well, I'm trying to push things I'm trying to initiate things instead of you know, responding so that's usually my first question. So you know, you're a generator are you responding to things? Are you trying to push things are you pushing against a divine timing, but then we can deeper, take a deeper dive into the chart and look at maybe those conundrums. What's holding me back? Oh, yeah. Do you have conditioning around having to do at all for people? Do you have conditioning around, you know, fear of the future, whatever it is, you know, and really talking through those things and giving kind of a mentoring session through that. So I love doing that, you know, being able to kind of counsel and mentor people.
Arwen Bardsley:And yeah, because I was just going to say that, you know, the main thing that, I mean, obviously, it's the most basic, but that I would take away from my session, was that whole thing about being a manifesting generator, and yeah, not having to pull back from pushing, pull back from pushing. Yeah, just, you know, go with the flow, as you were saying, respond, not not try and manifest things that aren't, you know, being brought to me to manifest
Heather Fischer-Page:right to respond to the universe always gives us stuff to respond to, you know, constantly and yeah, and I, I just love you all, you're you manifesting generators, because you guys get to have like, all these little plates spinning and trying and sampling and, you know, and and experimenting, and then going oh, yeah, okay, this is the one, that one piece shows up and goes, Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what I'm supposed to fly with. Okay, great. You other pieces, go sit on the sides on the shelves. And I might come back to you at some point. But you know, it's, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. And I think a lot of manifesting generators just using you, you all as an example, a lot of times that energy was stamped down. And you weren't allowed to experiment and multitask. And so I think that is a huge piece. I remember in a webinar I did, somebody said, Oh, my gosh, I feel seen, I feel seen now I can tell people, it's because I'm a manifesting generator, I do get to do 10 things at once. If I want, you know, yes, still be able to have a conversation with you, you know, about dinner. So just, you know, if you need to just move out of the energy, you know, so it's, it's good. You know, I really, I love every type, because there's just so much beauty in each type. When we're in the flow, so,
Arwen Bardsley:yeah, and for some people, manifesting generators, I guess they Yeah, it's energizing to have, you know, multiple plates spinning, rather than depleting as it would be for I'm sure for some other people.
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah, yeah. And like me, as a generator, I, I was a huge multitasker. And I always wondered why I was having accidents. And or why I was always burnt out. Or, you know, just yeah, things would happen. I'm like, oh, and when I finally figured out, I'm supposed to focus on one thing at a time, whatever, lights me up, that's what I work on. It was so freeing. And, you know, because I think society tells us as mothers, especially working mothers, oh, yeah, you're supposed to be doing all these things. And, you know, no wonder I ended up with chronic fatigue, you know, because I wasn't honoring my energy. So, yeah. And so it's really finding that individualisation, and, you know, living authentically to who we are and what our type is, and our strategy, so
Arwen Bardsley:And is there a good book or something that people you know, not people who want to learn how to do human design, but just that tells people all about it, if somebody wanted to dive into it in more depth?
Heather Fischer-Page:Oh, yeah. Yeah. First of all, run, get your chart run. I always welcome DMs to my, you know, to my Instagram account, because I'll run a Free Chart for people. I don't mind doing that at all. Or you can go on genetic matrix yourself and run it. And then, I mean, for me, I have even though I studied under Karen, I love her books. Hers is understanding human design is her first book. And that's actually the book when I went on Amazon, and, you know, in 2018, and I was looking for books and I guess I used to my sacral response, but I was like, Okay, which one you know resonates with me and hers was like boom, okay. I got her book. And that in its the red one is the her original one. She has an updated one with the quantum language, I believe coming out or maybe it's out. And then, and then I have books by chayton. Parker, there's one on lines, but really getting the basics is the important thing. And so understanding human design, you can get the original, excuse me book by Ra Uru Hu which is human design? But and then there's other ones out there. But you know, those are the books that i i go between usually Ra's and Karen's book.
Arwen Bardsley:Is Karen's book maybe more accessible for somebody who is coming at it as a beginner?
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah, I think it is. Because understanding human design, it really does. It kind of breaks it down a little better than it's not like it's a different language, but it's easier to digest, I think. And, you know, some people may resonate more with Ra's, you know, original work, but she worked with him. She studied under him for many, many years. And so, but yeah, I really like her book to get started. And she has so many wonderful, free offerings on YouTube, you know, so if you find out, Oh, I'm a generator, if you go in and put Karen curry Parker generator, you will get a great video on explaining what a generator is. And so you know, and she, a lot of times, she will integrate both traditional human design language and then the quantum language as well, which allows you to go oh, wait, I kind of resonate more with the alchemist feel of the generator energy, which I do, I definitely am like, oh, yeah, that's me, you know, I mean, I do nutrition and energy healing and you know, hypnotherapy and human design, astrology, you know, I am that Alchemist who really pulls things together into this different kind of package, you know, for each person, bio individual package for each person. So but you know what I'm saying it's, it's, so it's, it's really finding what language speaks to you? Yeah. Yeah. And I definitely, that's why I always use traditional and quantum human design language, because I want the person to resonate with what where they are in their journey. So
Arwen Bardsley:yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for that. Would you like to tell us a bit more about your integra wellness method, which I assume, as you've just said, does integrate all those things?
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah. Yeah. So I, it's it really has been part experiential knowledge, part knowledge part, you know, just this amazing conglomeration of information. But when I do the wellness method, it is I take a look at your mind body spirit, soul purpose. So we look at nutrition and not from I mean, I do so I do everything individual. It that's under the Integra wellness method. So I do deep dive nutrition if somebody needs it, but if we're doing the wellness method, I really give you know, tips around nutrition, okay, you know, if we have a clean vessel, things are gonna shift a little bit better. So what can you do eat more colors, you know, hydrate? What kind of movement? Are you doing? What kind of self care really, body wise are you doing for yourself? And then we look at that piece, the Human Design piece, are you living true to who you are? Are you living authentically? Are you living? Are you living and being a human being rather than a human doing, are you and so we look at the chart. And I always find when people when we do the chart, whether it's, you know, just a foundational reading or it looks at the conundrums, things start to come up and things come up that are ready for healing. So we'll do some hypnotherapy or what is called the E motion technique, where we shift thought forms that might be stuck in the body somewhere. Say it's in the heart, you're feeling like this tightness in your chest. And so we look at it and we find out what that thought form is and then we shift that and we dissolve it and then we replace it with a different thought, or hypnotherapy. But we can work through those conundrums together and decondition pieces, and then I always find after we've shifted those thought forms that it's really good to kind of pull our energy back into our body and do a, an energy healing. And this stuff is, this is not in one session. This is over, you know, you know, three months where we, you know, weave in what we need. And, um, but, you know, integrating it into the body I found is so important, you know, it's really, it's really kind of, you know, encapsulating all that you're doing by using doing that energy work and balancing the chakras again. So, and removing any, if there's any energetic blocks that are going on, because sometimes if you have that little energetic block there, it might show up in a form, that I intuit that I can help remove, and shift in, you know, and then, you know, fill with, you know, amazing rose light or whatever. And so, and just shifting, getting our energy back into our own bodies, you know, I have a technique that I do, that's a centering technique, you know, that just brings all your energy back to you and lets everybody else's go, you know, who wouldn't love to have that? I'm like, seriously?
Arwen Bardsley:And who doesn't like that? We need it.
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah, we all do. Because we are all out in these things. We're all we're constantly 24 hours a day being, you know, yeah, pulled in these directions with social media and you know, our own lives, you know, and so getting centered is can be very helpful. So, that really is the wellness method, you know, really looking at, again, the body through nutrition movement, the life purpose with human design, hypnotherapy, looking at that, the mind really looking at that and shifting our mindset doing mindfulness work. You know, I always it's funny, because a lot of times, the guides will give me a mantra for them or an affirmation to take forward with them. And also, yeah, in meditation, and then and then the spirit really getting that connection in and working with that energy with the energy work. So yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty incredible. And you know, when you come out on that other side, it you are ready for that next piece, you know, so it's just yeah, I love it. I love being able to take people through that and, and really guiding and supporting them on their journey.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, yeah. Wonderful. And so over three months, how many, you know, interactions would someone Have you? Is it like on a weekly or fortnightly basis that you'd be having a session with them?
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like every week, to two weeks, just depending on what we're doing. Yeah. Within that we got to integrate, we need to integrate the information. And so and, like with energy, healings, and as you know, once a month is about as much as you can do energy work on a body, because you gotta have to allow the body to calibrate and integrate. So yeah, so we meet either weekly for some things, or we might meet every two weeks. And then yeah, but if something comes up, and it's like, oh, wow, that human design session really kind of clicked me. I think it's time to do a hypnotherapy release or a sacral session, which is a human design technique for generator types, where we really connect into the sacral Yes, and no, you know, in that decision making, so we will do that. So it really is, yeah, it it's, it's kind of works very flow because not everybody's gonna, you know, not everybody has the same timing, you know, and so we really kind of just flow with the person I you know, as as as they're needing it, but yeah, I do. I put the package together and we talk through it and see how things come up. And, you know, check in, there's always check ins - where Are you? You know, how are you feeling? All of those types of things that can help? Bring it back, bring your bring them back to the present and going okay. Yeah. Okay, what is my emotional check in right now? So where where's my mind? Where are my thoughts? You know? So? Yeah.
Arwen Bardsley:And you do work remotely with people?
Heather Fischer-Page:Yes, yes. Yeah, it works. As we know, energy. Energy goes across the, the, you know? Yeah, across the universe, you know, there's no time and space. Yeah, once you get in there. So it's yeah, it works really well. And I actually really enjoy doing remote energy work because the body is not there. So it's much easier to connect in.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, absolutely.
Heather Fischer-Page:I always make sure though, before I do an energy healing on somebody that I connect via zoom. I mean, we're going to talk anyway, because I want to connect into the energy. And then yeah, but it's interesting when the body's out of the way you can really shift some great things.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, I think, yeah, you can connect to those that to the higher vibrations more much more easily can't you? Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. And yeah, I just wanted to comment on you're saying the energy healing once a month? I do. Yeah, I find that people will generally say that they and I'd love to do a study on this at some point. But they'll say they've kind of feel the results, the benefits of the energy healing for around three weeks. It's just been amazing how many people have said that to me, over the time I've been doing this work. So three weeks seems to be for some reason, the period, that, you know, you're kind of assimilating the energy work. But so therefore, then people will often you know, do it as a monthly self care thing. But I do also find that for some people, especially initially, they will benefit from coming every two weeks for maybe three sessions, to really, you know, kind of shake things up in a way and really get the energy moving so that they can release what they need to release, and then be ready to assimilate that they need to assimilate. So. Yeah. I just wanted to make that comment. From my point of view.
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And in between, for me it we're doing like the hypnotherapy work. So we're releasing thought forms and stuff like that. And so yeah, it's, every system works differently. And I always tell people to, and I'm sure you feel it, too, is, you know, when you've had an energy session, sometimes the next day, you're not gonna feel that great.
Arwen Bardsley:Exactly. Yeah,
Heather Fischer-Page:I remember coming out. I'm like, you know, the next day going, why don't I feel better? And wait a second, energy got shifted. So those open spots, even though good energies been put in there, have to integrate and assimilate. So? Yeah,
Arwen Bardsley:totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So before we finish up, I'd love you to just tell people about your podcast as well, because I have had the privilege of being a guest on yours. The integrity Podcast. And so I guess it's just you know, I want what kinds of guests do you have other than me? Just so that for people who are interested in having a listening, having a listen, should check it out?
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah, so it is the Integra podcast, and the tagline for it is everything wisdom, wellness and woo. So I it's yeah, it's so fun. So I get to talk to everybody. You know, it really, you know, you got a little wisdom, you got some, you know, do you do wellness, or are you into Woo. But, you know, I've interviewed amazing people, I really love to share people's stories of inspiration and how something that may have been challenging for them became their life purpose. And, you know, my first interview was with Natasha Ria El-scari. She is a poet. And but in the Kansas City area, she is huge in the black community and has really lifted up the black artists in our community and but she's also an author and a poet. And so we talked about her book about consciousness and dating, and it was lovely is she wrote basically wrote a book for her son on, you know, how to be, you know, spiritually, mindfully conscious of when you date and in relationships. So it was really cool.
Arwen Bardsley:Oh,
Heather Fischer-Page:And then, you know, then I had on someone who does kitchen therapy, you know, who overcame colon cancer. And now she teaches people how to take care of themselves and empower themselves and see the work that we do in the kitchen as self care. And yeah, and you know, then I have somebody on he is his, he has his own podcast called Confessions of Christian kid. And talking about his unwinding from a pretty conservative religion, and how, really reading the red letters of the Bible gave him you know, a real understanding of really who Jesus was, is and is as a Ascended Master and, you know, huge part of that realm. And so it's just been this lovely group. And then I had this woman on who was a medical astrologer does the Evenstar Wellbeing program, you know, so it was, it's lovely, I'm so excited. I love being able to talk with people like you, and really put it out there for people because, you know, when we're stuck, we need inspiration. And I want people to have access to the person they resonate with. And, and so that's what's important to me. Yeah. And I just, I just interviewed somebody who wrote a book on on un-bullying and how to how to speak to bullies and how to speak to your the bully in yourself. And it was pretty incredible. So I just yeah, I really try and have like this weave this group, you know, this beautiful narrative for people to find what they need and who who they can reach out to so
Arwen Bardsley:yeah, nice. So fascinating. I look forward to the unbullying episode that yes, I really interesting. Cool. Yeah. Okay, so, and your podcast is available on all the podcasting platforms.
Heather Fischer-Page:Apple, Spotify, Stitcher, Google, I believe, yeah.
Arwen Bardsley:Yep. Okay. And then how else can people best get in touch with you if they're wanting to connect with you around your work?
Heather Fischer-Page:Okay, yeah, so I have a website it's Integra holistic wellness.com And I'm on Facebook at Integra holistic wellness and Instagram is Integra holistic wellness as well I think yeah, yeah. Yeah. I actually you know, how you know how when you get like a common name, they kind of switch like my old business name. I had something that you know, I had to add some letters or something on to the end of it and I'm like, Oh, I actually did get them all to work. Integra holistic wellness either.com and or on Instagram is Integra, holistic wellness, and also on Facebook. And so, yeah, you can reach out that way through DMs. And also, I have scheduling on the website as well.
Arwen Bardsley:Yeah, yep. Okay, yeah. Okay, well, thank you so much for your time, Heather, it's been a really great conversation and fascinating the work you do so I'm so pleased to be able to bring bring that to some more people.
Heather Fischer-Page:Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. Here. It was, you know, I always love talking with you.
Arwen Bardsley:Oh, good. All right. Thanks, Heather.